1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:04,000 Dr. Heineck, please. 2 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:10,000 And we're going to hook up with Dr. J. Allen Heineck, a fellow we're spending about a moment 3 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:15,000 ago, 22 years official astronomical consultant on identifying flying objects to the United 4 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:20,000 States Air Force, and the man who holds the chair of the Department of Astronomy at Northwest 5 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:24,000 University, and he's going to be speaking with the Canadian Pacific Airlines pilot. 6 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:25,000 Dr. Heineck, you there? 7 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:26,000 Yep. 8 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:31,000 That burns here, and let's open the line and we'll go right to our Canadian Pacific 9 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:32,000 Airlines pilot. 10 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:33,000 Hi. 11 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:34,000 Hi. 12 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:39,000 First of all, you're 100% correct, but they do exist, and anyone who doesn't believe 13 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:41,000 in them is going to have their head examined. 14 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:43,000 I'm just going to relate one incident. 15 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:49,000 There have been a few, about six in my recollection in the last three and a half years. 16 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:53,000 I'm a first officer at Gold Bottom, whatever you take the pickup. 17 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:58,000 These days, between Vancouver and Tokyo and Vancouver, Hong Kong returned, happening 18 00:00:58,000 --> 00:00:59,000 for about three years. 19 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:05,000 Now, the incident is going to be big here about the happened on a run from Tokyo to Vancouver, 20 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:11,000 a return trip to the island of 1969, which was about four months after I first started 21 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:12,000 on the international routes. 22 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:18,000 That was in Melchon, Spring, Georgia, but anyhow, it's around 2.30 a.m. in the morning. 23 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:21,000 We're about 2,500 miles northwest of Vancouver. 24 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:25,000 We're cruising at about 34,000 feet with the autopilot on. 25 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:27,000 The book went quite bluntly. 26 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:32,000 There was one hell of a blue flash just to the right of the aircraft and forward. 27 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:34,000 Immediately checked the instrumentation. 28 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:38,000 As you know, it kind of starts up forward, or you may not know what it does. 29 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:42,000 It's just blue and white, so we're going at it. 30 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:45,000 But anyhow, immediately checked the dial and we were all over the place. 31 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:50,000 Up, down, sideways, we got a pretty visual horizon that turned in back to the airspeed, 32 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:54,000 the altitude, you need to take your pick if you've got a bit more than 34,000 feet 33 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:56,000 into the ground, you could get a reading. 34 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:59,000 That lasts for about three, four seconds. 35 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:04,000 And this blue flash disappeared approximately, or I would take a guess, two to three miles 36 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:11,000 forward of the aircraft and maintain a position in for roughly 35, 40 seconds somewhere around 37 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:12,000 that. 38 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:14,000 It closed in on us rather fast. 39 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:17,000 All this time I must say I'm sitting with my mouth open. 40 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:22,000 I just couldn't believe what was happening. 41 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:27,000 It closed in on us a tremendous rate of speed that distance, I would say was covered in 42 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:29,000 maybe three seconds. 43 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:31,000 But this is not speaking of. 44 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:33,000 Was it sort of a clean course or a all course? 45 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:35,000 Direct relation course. 46 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:36,000 It seemed direct. 47 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:38,000 Now it may have been high, it may have been low, maybe right or left. 48 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:41,000 You couldn't tell at the time, but it was coming. 49 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:43,000 The question was coming straight forward. 50 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:51,000 But it closed within, I would say, somewhere to 1,000 to 1,500 yards and maintained a hovering 51 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:53,000 position there, vertical. 52 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:58,000 And maintained that position for roughly a minute to a minute and a half. 53 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:02,000 Now let's say it seemed like an eternity, there even an observance there. 54 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:04,000 What were your ground speeds at the time? 55 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:07,000 Ground speed would be about 550 knots. 56 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:09,000 I'll have to press some time. 57 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:12,000 I've seen that position constantly, never varied. 58 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:15,000 Me very slightly, but we couldn't tell. 59 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:19,000 Now I must say we're looking at one another and this was my first real experience with 60 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:20,000 Apple now. 61 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:23,000 I'm sure everybody said they've seen them or thought they have seen them at one time at 62 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:28,000 a tremendous distance, but this was close, too close for comfort. 63 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:33,000 As Dave there, like I said, I'm repeating myself now for maybe a minute and a half. 64 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:36,000 And it just went straight up. 65 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:37,000 Straight up. 66 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:38,000 And out of sight. 67 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:39,000 Five, seven seconds. 68 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:40,000 Just completely disappeared. 69 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:43,000 Well I must say I was a little upset. 70 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:47,000 Now the captain was a little calm. 71 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:53,000 I turned to him and I said, what the hell he wasn't? 72 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:54,000 Or what isn't? 73 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:55,000 He says, I don't know. 74 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:57,000 He says, but they've never seen him before. 75 00:03:57,000 --> 00:03:59,000 They come around, they have a look. 76 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:04,000 And I said, well, how about a couple of times? 77 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:12,000 When we get back in the van, we should we contact the DOT and fill out in your mismanagement 78 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:13,000 air collision form. 79 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:14,000 He says, I know it's a yes, Dave. 80 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:15,000 I said, but you gotta be kidding. 81 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:16,000 He says, I'll never believe you. 82 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:17,000 You fill out that form, you sign it. 83 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:18,000 You're quizzed by the DOT, they will make a recommendation. 84 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:19,000 It's nine times out of ten to your company doctor. 85 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:20,000 One, you go have your head examined and two, you have your eyes checked. 86 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:21,000 Yep, yep, this is an old story. 87 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:22,000 I'm not sure if you've heard of it, but I'm sure you've heard of it. 88 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:23,000 I'm sure you've heard of it. 89 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:24,000 I'm sure you've heard of it. 90 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:25,000 I'm sure you've heard of it. 91 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:26,000 I'm sure you've heard of it. 92 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:27,000 I'm sure you've heard of it. 93 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:28,000 I'm sure you've heard of it. 94 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:29,000 I'm sure you've heard of it. 95 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:30,000 I'm sure you've heard of it. 96 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:31,000 I'm sure you've heard of it. 97 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:32,000 I'm sure you've heard of it. 98 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:33,000 I'm sure you've heard of it. 99 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:34,000 I'm sure you've heard of it. 100 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:35,000 I'm sure you've heard of it. 101 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:36,000 I'm sure you've heard of it. 102 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:37,000 I'm sure you've heard of it. 103 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:38,000 I'm sure you've heard of it. 104 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:39,000 I'm sure you've heard of it. 105 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:40,000 I'm sure you've heard of it. 106 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:41,000 I'm sure you've heard of it. 107 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:42,000 I'm sure you've heard of it. 108 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:43,000 I'm sure you've heard of it. 109 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:44,000 I'm sure you've heard of it. 110 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:45,000 I'm sure you've heard of it. 111 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:46,000 I'm sure you've heard of it. 112 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:47,000 I'm sure you've heard of it. 113 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:48,000 I'm sure you've heard of it. 114 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:49,000 I'm sure you've heard of it. 115 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:50,000 I'm sure you've heard of it. 116 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:51,000 I'm sure you've heard of it. 117 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:52,000 I'm sure you've heard of it. 118 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:53,000 I'm sure you've heard of it. 119 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:54,000 I'm sure you've heard of it. 120 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:55,000 I'm sure you've heard of it. 121 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:56,000 I'm sure you've heard of it. 122 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:57,000 I'm sure you've heard of it. 123 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:58,000 I'm sure you've heard of it. 124 00:04:58,000 --> 00:04:59,000 I'm sure you've heard of it. 125 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:00,000 I'm sure you've heard of it. 126 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:01,000 I'm sure you've heard of it. 127 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:02,000 I'm sure you've heard of it. 128 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:03,000 I'm sure you've heard of it. 129 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:04,000 I'm sure you've heard of it. 130 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:05,000 I'm sure you've heard of it. 131 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:06,000 I'm sure you've heard of it. 132 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:07,000 I'm sure you've heard of it. 133 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:08,000 I'm sure you've heard of it. 134 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:09,000 I'm sure you've heard of it. 135 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:10,000 I'm sure you've heard of it. 136 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:11,000 I'm sure you've heard of it. 137 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:12,000 I'm sure you've heard of it. 138 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:13,000 I'm sure you've heard of it. 139 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:14,000 I'm sure you've heard of it. 140 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:15,000 I'm sure you've heard of it. 141 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:16,000 I'm sure you've heard of it. 142 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:17,000 I'm sure you've heard of it. 143 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:18,000 I'm sure you've heard of it. 144 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:19,000 I'm sure you've heard of it. 145 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:20,000 I'm sure you've heard of it. 146 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:21,000 I'm sure you've heard of it. 147 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:22,000 I'm sure you've heard of it. 148 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:23,000 I'm sure you've heard of it. 149 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:24,000 I'm sure you've heard of it. 150 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:25,000 I'm sure you've heard of it. 151 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:26,000 I'm sure you've heard of it. 152 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:27,000 I'm sure you've heard of it. 153 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:31,000 Oh, by the way, I must say that in my assumption, it was this. 154 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:37,000 25 to 30 yards in diameter, about 15 yards in depth. 155 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:39,000 And it was a brilliant blue. 156 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:41,000 I don't know how to describe it. 157 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:44,000 It was just brilliant. 158 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:49,000 The only word I can use to think of this is tremendously bright. 159 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:55,000 Now, how close do you think we would have any way of estimating how close you think 160 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:56,000 it got to you? 161 00:05:56,000 --> 00:06:03,000 When I came to the ride of the aircraft, it happened so fast in all honesty, I can say 162 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:04,000 no, I don't know. 163 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:07,000 I must say it didn't shake the aircraft. 164 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:08,000 It shook me. 165 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:11,000 I mean, I've gotten to the end of the aircraft for a change of laundry. 166 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:13,000 Everybody would have taken me too. 167 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:15,000 But I couldn't tell you. 168 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:18,000 It was the best you could blink your eyes at me in all honesty. 169 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:24,000 I'm quite interested, and very much interested in the instrument procedure because that has 170 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:26,000 been reported many times also. 171 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:30,000 Now, how long did the instrument remain abnormal? 172 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:33,000 Well, five to seven seconds. 173 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:36,000 Now, the last one at the initial pass. 174 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:41,000 Now, what's the object for a lack of a better word? 175 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:48,000 Maintain the distance at about 1500 yards at a maximum of a thousand, the closest to 176 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:49,000 the target I'm guessing. 177 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:54,000 I guess that was in a state of shock. 178 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:57,000 There was a fluctuation of electrical power, very minor. 179 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:03,000 For example, like a child playing with a light switch on-off, on-off, not constantly, but 180 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:06,000 maybe 10, 15 seconds apart. 181 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:11,000 I'd say they flickered a good half dozen times in a minute and a half. 182 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:14,000 But anyway, they get to the meat of the matter. 183 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:20,000 I guess one instrument I have not had an instrument like that since or before. 184 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:22,000 I have seen them at distance. 185 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:23,000 They're not flat. 186 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:24,000 Is that correct? 187 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:25,000 They're not flat like. 188 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:26,000 They're not air-coded. 189 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:27,000 I know of. 190 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:32,000 And I carry a camera now. 191 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:33,000 Good, right? 192 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:35,000 And I'm not an idiot. 193 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:37,000 At least I don't think I am. 194 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:42,000 There's flight engineer, myself, and the captain scenes. 195 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:43,000 It did take place. 196 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:48,000 Do you imagine that any of the passengers thought if some of the passengers on the right side 197 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:52,000 of the aircraft forward, the first class actually see the initial blue flash? 198 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:53,000 Yes. 199 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:54,000 Because they were asking us. 200 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:55,000 They were asking you. 201 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:57,000 They were asking us, are we going to crash? 202 00:07:57,000 --> 00:07:59,000 Things like that after you've talked to them. 203 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:01,000 All right, so there was no question about it. 204 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:03,000 There was no question about it. 205 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:06,000 We said we couldn't, in all honesty, we didn't know what it was. 206 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:08,000 We couldn't explain it. 207 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:10,000 It may have been an aircraft. 208 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:12,000 That's what you left at that point. 209 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:15,000 The only 500 miles out is roughly 2.30 in the morning. 210 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:17,000 You don't say there's flying saucers outside. 211 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:18,000 No, no, you don't. 212 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:20,000 You got passengers in the back. 213 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:25,000 But the reason there wasn't anything, I'd like to get that addressed on you, sir. 214 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:27,000 I, myself, cannot have some pictures. 215 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:30,000 I am carrying a camera home and someday I will get some. 216 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:32,000 But I know of two people who do. 217 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:33,000 Have pictures. 218 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:36,000 Now, these pictures have not been turned over to the DOT. 219 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:39,000 They have not been turned over to our supervisors, staff, for the reason I really don't know. 220 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:41,000 They may send this out. 221 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:42,000 I don't know. 222 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:44,000 Well, out here it's called SNL. 223 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:45,000 It's a mental hospital. 224 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:47,000 They send you down there for things like this. 225 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:50,000 But I would love to send these pictures. 226 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:53,000 I have access to the negatives to get some prints made up. 227 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:55,000 And the other end, I'll let you know. 228 00:08:55,000 --> 00:09:01,000 The negatives are in a very safe place because if the thing is a very real scientific value, 229 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:05,000 I'll make a trip out there to see them myself. 230 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:09,000 Because I would not suggest that you entrust them to the nails. 231 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:12,000 Well, now, just a second, sir. 232 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:14,000 There is no problem there. 233 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:16,000 They're 35 millimeters wide. 234 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:20,000 There are about five people, but half of them now in our little group. 235 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:22,000 So there's not the use of that. 236 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:28,000 But now the address is the same as J. Allen, H. Y. N. E. K. 237 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:34,000 J. Allen. H. Y. N. E. K. 238 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:38,000 And it's simply Department of Astronomy. 239 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:44,000 Department of Astronomy. 240 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:47,000 Yes, sir, I got that. 241 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:49,000 North-western, that's one word. 242 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:51,000 North-western University. 243 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:56,000 That's during university. 244 00:09:56,000 --> 00:10:01,000 And then Evanston, Illinois, that's E-E-A-N-S-T-O-N. 245 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:05,000 Illinois. 246 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:06,000 Okay, sir. 247 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:09,000 They shall be enrolled by the new year in 602-01. 248 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:11,000 Oh, I'm sorry, is that correct? 249 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:13,000 Yeah, 602-01. 250 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:15,000 602-01. 251 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:17,000 They shall be in the middle this weekend, sir. 252 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:19,000 I'm looking forward to this very, very much. 253 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:21,000 Okay, I'll put a return address, et cetera, 254 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:24,000 and any information or more if you want. 255 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:28,000 By all means, the rest is sure that your name will not be used, 256 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:31,000 because I don't want to cause anybody any embarrassment. 257 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:34,000 All right, now I'm going to jump in here for both of you, 258 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:36,000 or to both of you. 259 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:42,000 CPE airline pilot, would you be good enough to drop me a note 260 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:44,000 so that I can contact you, 261 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:47,000 because I would dearly love to see these pictures. 262 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:50,000 And like Dr. Heineck, of course, no names, no back grills. 263 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:54,000 Because like Dr. Heineck, I understand that the man with the butterfly net 264 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:57,000 will take you later, as you may leave your bay. 265 00:10:57,000 --> 00:11:01,000 But if you would, would you be good enough to do so? 266 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:04,000 I'm glad that Mr. Brink is going to stay in personal confidentiality. 267 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:07,000 That's right, that's right, and it'll get to me on open personal confidentiality. 268 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:08,000 Certainly. 269 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:12,000 And to you, Dr. Heineck, would you like a copy of this, 270 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:15,000 of the tape of this particular conversation, 271 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:17,000 because I think it's of importance to you. 272 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:18,000 I would indeed, very much. 273 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:22,000 All right, we will get to you a copy of this tape. 274 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:27,000 He will send to you in addition the films. 275 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:30,000 And I hope also, CPE airline pilot, 276 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:32,000 you'll get in touch with me personally, okay? 277 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:34,000 I shall do that, Mr. Brink. 278 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:36,000 We'll be on the ground now for about a week. 279 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:38,000 Oh, that's all right. No rush, whenever it's convenient. 280 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:45,000 I want to compliment you, Mr. Pilot, for your courage in doing this. 281 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:50,000 And you're quite safe in that I have no intention whatsoever 282 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:53,000 of revealing names. 283 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:54,000 Well, that's fine, sir. 284 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:56,000 I spoke to Mr. Brink's secretary. 285 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:59,000 There was a matter to discuss as long as that isn't mentioned on the air. 286 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:01,000 They won't know who I am, because it is. 287 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:03,000 They'll give an idea of what's going on. 288 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:05,000 All right, Mr. Brink, I understand. 289 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:07,000 Oh, indeed. 290 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:12,000 I constantly picked up most confidential memorandums 291 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:15,000 at the corner of Grandville and Georgia. 292 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:18,000 And if anybody believes that, they're out of their trees. 293 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:22,000 But that's the only way I ever say I come into possession of them. 294 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:23,000 Certainly, sir. 295 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:25,000 I thank you for putting up with me, 296 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:28,000 and I thank you for your time to listen to my story. 297 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:30,000 And I thank you, Mr. Brink, for making it possible. 298 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:33,000 Well, I am looking forward to hearing from you. 299 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:34,000 Okay, sir. 300 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:35,000 Thank you so much. 301 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:38,000 Okay, speaking of airline pilot, a million thanks for calling. 302 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:41,000 Goodbye, and drop me a note, okay? 303 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:42,000 I shall do that, sir. 304 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:43,000 Okay, thank you. 305 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:46,000 And Dr. Heineck, I thought that was the most interesting call 306 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:51,000 that I'm sure just is a little bit above the norm. 307 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:54,000 Because I think that when you're talking airline pilots, 308 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:58,000 I think they have the edge over guys like me, a land lover. 309 00:12:58,000 --> 00:12:59,000 Would you not agree? 310 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:05,000 I would say that if they are, if they are, well, 311 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:09,000 if it is real, what they were seeing, or they said they saw, 312 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:11,000 then they're... 313 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:12,000 And we're not real. 314 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:16,000 No, they don't touch your life every day to a person like that, 315 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:17,000 would you? 316 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:18,000 That's right. 317 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:19,000 That's right. 318 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:23,000 But anyway, Dr., I'll get a copy of that particular call, 319 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:26,000 because I think that one has real substance. 320 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:27,000 Yeah. 321 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:29,000 And I'm sure you would like it to go over the words again, 322 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:32,000 and perhaps even play it to your colleagues, okay? 323 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:34,000 Yes, I would indeed. 324 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:38,000 And I think we'll probably have you on the air again, okay? 325 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:41,000 Thank you very much, Dr. Jay Allen. 326 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:42,000 Thank you. 327 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:43,000 Bye.